Street tire shoot out at Greer Dragway $300 to win with free entry!!

[trophystock]

Hey everyone. I am Charles from V8muscle.net and a long time member here on this board. We had our first Street Tire shootout last night at Greer Dragway and it went very well. I just wanted to make sure that everybody knew about the races and were able to make plans to participate. We are having a race the last Thursday of every month all year long. The rules are super simple with the main one being a street type radial with a treadware of 200 or higher. Entry fee is free with the regular test and tune admission and the payout is $300. You can visit V8muscle.net for a full list of all the rules.

[bwelch]

AWD allowed?

[Matts94Z28]

Who won?

[Molasses]

AWD allowed?

Good question. If so ill take the drive one week.

:bigthumb:

[trophystock]

Who won?


Shawn Abner won last nights race in a C5. If you check the website for all the rules you will see we have a no "back to back" winner clause so he has to sit out the next race. The guy who ran second with an 8 flat in his Grand National is pumped about his chances of winning next month.

[trophystock]

http://www.v8muscle.net/

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Sounds a REAL street car race. Kudos.

Edit: I got my threads mixed up.

[BigdaddyDupree]

8.0 IN THE EIGHTH on street tires? hmmm

[ForceFed4g63]

Damn that's all it takes? I might have to slap on some radials and go out there lol.

[chrisheltra]

Trucks allowed?

[ForceFed4g63]

Trucks allowed?

Well I'm not going anymore lol

[chrisheltra]

Id be lucky to run 9.0's on my street tires.

[spdracr0]

Can I just put my drag radials on the front?

[BigdaddyDupree]

I bet i could run 8.0 on street tires on motor

[spdracr0]

If I come up 8.0s aint gonna get it, better step it up...prolly take me 300 in gas to get there and back..

[BigdaddyDupree]

word is foose is coming. that way the lightning boys wont show. lol

[spdracr0]

BET THAT!!

[spdracr0]

I have been very low 7s and fit the rules. The problem is just how much power you can actually put on a mediocre tire

[spdracr0]

And I think I can go well into the 6s with nt05s on the 18 inch wheels..we need a class like this closer, I think it would be fun. It would however tear the track up pretty good I imagine..

[chrisheltra]

word is foose is coming. that way the lightning boys wont show. lol

Hes already tried it and felt less than comfortable going down the track on a street tire which I dont blame him a bit. I do too.

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[spdracr0]

I think the only tire that has a chance is the NT05 for anything that makes any power and even then it takes a lot of finesse. Our truck would be easier to get down the track just by the different power adder characteristics I think. But the last time I was beside Rob I had a set of NT05s on and left too hard and got freight trained. Would be fun though....It is like a test in patience...def makes the tire the limiting factor..

[Zacharyx]

I will be running on the street nt05s tommorow in Macon so we will see

[Zacharyx]

maybe this will run on a weekend I am back and forth to NC, 4hrs would not be fun

[BigdaddyDupree]

I think it would be a blast. Win it lose it would be fun

[trophystock]

In my black car I have been 7.12 with almost a 100 mph trap speed and the 60' was a 1.64. If someone said they had a car that ran like that on Michelins I would have call bull shi!! on it. I was shocked at how well the Michelins hooked. I sponsor the race so my car stays at home, these racers are an easy way for us to give back to the hobby that has given us so much. We tried to make the rules wide open to allow as many people in as possible. This is 2WD only with no 4WD or ALL wheel drive. As long as the car counts stay up I will continue to sponsor the races, we have 5 more this year alone.

[UnaBomber]

In my black car I have been 7.12 with almost a 100 mph trap speed and the 60' was a 1.64. If someone said they had a car that ran like that on Michelins I would have call bull shi!! on it. I was shocked at how well the Michelins hooked. I sponsor the race so my car stays at home, these racers are an easy way for us to give back to the hobby that has given us so much. We tried to make the rules wide open to allow as many people in as possible. This is 2WD only with no 4WD or ALL wheel drive. As long as the car counts stay up I will continue to sponsor the races, we have 5 more this year alone.

2wd only is gay.

i went 7:28 at 99 at savannah river a couple weeks ago on 20 inch Micehlin PSS's with a tune only

im plus 200 hp on that run now still on PSS's and still hooking like a champ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfBUNgGTKU

[Rattletrap]

2wd only is gay.
Then get a track to host an event that allows AWD and go for it!

[trophystock]

This Thursday is race number two, easy money for someone.

[trophystock]

Thanks for everybody who came out tonight. We had a dozen cars running with half of them within half a second of the winner. Wayne Haddock running an 8.0 in his Grand National took home the money. We discussed it again tonight about having actual eliminations and if car count stays up we have a good chance of making that happen.

[scampman]

We tried to make the rules wide open to allow as many people in as possible.

Ill have to disagree with trying to allow as many cars as possible. Seems to me the rules aren't specific so you can keep out the cars you don't want to let in. My brother in law drove 4 hours to come participate in this race and was told the tires on his factory width wheels were too narrow. They were Volkswagon tires but not on a skinny wheel. They were on 5" wide wheels which is what VW's came with also. The rules just said no skinnys which I think most people would agree are 3.5" wheels not 5" wheels. I would rather know what tire sizes are and aren't allowed instead of showing up and being told I cant run because you think they might be a little bigger or smaller than what came on the car. His truck only had a 265/15" rear tire which was more narrow than most and had a 500 treadwear rating to boot. Truck is fully street legal and driven regularly and has a current tag and insurance. I didn't see anyone else being checked for current paperwork either, just him. I think the rules are left fairly vague so you can keep people out who you don't want racing. We both know the front tire size would have made no difference in the outcome of the race last night. You were looking for a reason to keep him out. Is he gonna be welcomed back with some factory sized tires at the next race? I think the race is a good idea don't get me wrong, It just doesn't seem like your trying to include as many cars as possible like you stated above in your post. I will be sure to have the correct tires for the next race on my car as well.

[1iron]

What a VW came with is only pertinent to a VW. If its not a VW stop bitching.

[trophystock]

Ill have to disagree with trying to allow as many cars as possible. Seems to me the rules aren't specific so you can keep out the cars you don't want to let in. My brother in law drove 4 hours to come participate in this race and was told the tires on his factory width wheels were too narrow. They were Volkswagon tires but not on a skinny wheel. They were on 5" wide wheels which is what VW's came with also. The rules just said no skinnys which I think most people would agree are 3.5" wheels not 5" wheels. I would rather know what tire sizes are and aren't allowed instead of showing up and being told I cant run because you think they might be a little bigger or smaller than what came on the car. His truck only had a 265/15" rear tire which was more narrow than most and had a 500 treadwear rating to boot. Truck is fully street legal and driven regularly and has a current tag and insurance. I didn't see anyone else being checked for current paperwork either, just him. I think the rules are left fairly vague so you can keep people out who you don't want racing. We both know the front tire size would have made no difference in the outcome of the race last night. You were looking for a reason to keep him out. Is he gonna be welcomed back with some factory sized tires at the next race? I think the race is a good idea don't get me wrong, It just doesn't seem like your trying to include as many cars as possible like you stated above in your post. I will be sure to have the correct tires for the next race on my car as well.

If you have any questions ask in advance. Do not show up and try to use "I drove 4 hours" argument to try to convince everybody a 165 front tire is not a skinny. If you want to bring a car out for the july race start asking questions now if you have any doubt at all. If you are not sure about something consider it illegal and ask in advance if a particular car is OK. This is suppose to be just a simple get together for daily driven street cars. I could have said fuel injected cars only, AC required, stock this or stock that and had a whole list of crap to check. So I stuck with "daily driven" no drag cars, STOCK SUSPENSION, and no skinnies. I will say it again, if you are not sure then consider it not allowed until you ask about it.

[scampman]

What a VW came with is only pertinent to a VW. If its not a VW stop bitching.

His Ranger did come with 5" wheels. My point was it was stated the rules were made loosely to allow more cars in the class and in reality they were looking for anything they could find to keep his truck from running the class. I didn't see anyone elses car being checked for anything. They saw him make some test passes and figured he would win so they used the tire excuse. Its a pump gas 92 ranger with stock suspension, AOD tranny with a small block Ford motor. Stock interior and is driven daily and is completely street legal with current tag, registration, and insurance. My car is a 72 Scamp, full interior, carpet, stock suspension, 9.5 to 1 pump gas small block. Is there any problem with me running my car with a factory width wheel and tire?

[scampman]

If you have any questions ask in advance. Do not show up and try to use "I drove 4 hours" argument to try to convince everybody a 165 front tire is not a skinny. If you want to bring a car out for the july race start asking questions now if you have any doubt at all. If you are not sure about something consider it illegal and ask in advance if a particular car is OK. This is suppose to be just a simple get together for daily driven street cars. I could have said fuel injected cars only, AC required, stock this or stock that and had a whole list of crap to check. So I stuck with "daily driven" no drag cars, STOCK SUSPENSION, and no skinnies. I will say it again, if you are not sure then consider it not allowed until you ask about it.

Ok Im asking then, You have any problem with me running my Scamp in that class? Its pump gas, full interior, carpet, stock suspension, etc.... Drive it wherever you want. Its fully street legal and street driven on hard 275/60/15 radials and I have no problem putting factory size tires up front if thats what you would like. There's nothing I can think of that doesn't fit the rules.

[trophystock]

His Ranger did come with 5" wheels. My point was it was stated the rules were made loosely to allow more cars in the class and in reality they were looking for anything they could find to keep his truck from running the class. I didn't see anyone elses car being checked for anything. They saw him make some test passes and figured he would win so they used the tire excuse. Its a pump gas 92 ranger with stock suspension, AOD tranny with a small block Ford motor. Stock interior and is driven daily and is completely street legal with current tag, registration, and insurance. My car is a 72 Scamp, full interior, carpet, stock suspension, 9.5 to 1 pump gas small block. Is there any problem with me running my car with a factory width wheel and tire?

Actually I don't care who wins, it makes no difference to me. I told him as soon as he pulled into the lanes no front skinnies. No skinnies is no skinnies and you can try to argue the point all you want but no ranger ever came with a 165 front tire. I will not make a front tire minimum size, forget that. If you want a minimum size then make it a 225 front tire. Any car made the last 20 years will carry more rubber then that. The problem with that is then my camaro with stock 205 front tire would not be legal or your ranger if it showed up on stock 195 front tires wouldn't be either, this is why there is not and will not be a front tire minimum size. A 195 on a ranger is fine, a 195 on a c5 corvette is a skinny tire and would not be allowed. See the difference? Running a 72 scamp? well since we do not allow a bias ply and that car came with a bias ply so we can not compare a direct stock size then I would assume a 205 or 215 front tire is on the car now?

[scampman]

If you have any questions ask in advance. Do not show up and try to use "I drove 4 hours" argument to try to convince everybody a 165 front tire is not a skinny. If you want to bring a car out for the july race start asking questions now if you have any doubt at all. If you are not sure about something consider it illegal and ask in advance if a particular car is OK. This is suppose to be just a simple get together for daily driven street cars. I could have said fuel injected cars only, AC required, stock this or stock that and had a whole list of crap to check. So I stuck with "daily driven" no drag cars, STOCK SUSPENSION, and no skinnies. I will say it again, if you are not sure then consider it not allowed until you ask about it.

Who determines what a street car is or isn't? Is a 400 hp smallblock nova a steetcar? What about a 700+ hp whipple powered LS camaro or corvette? Everyone is gonna have a differen't opinion of what a street car is. Thats why it would be easier to just make a few specific rules that are easily manageable and then people won't have to wonder if their car qualifies or not. Also, he did drive 4 hours to get there (he's from Dallas GA) so thats a fact not an excuse to convince anyone of anything. I didn't realize the front tires would be such an issue being on a factory width wheel. If thats the only problem then I will make sure next time he brings the proper size tires so there's no confusion on either side. Of course I felt bad after inviting him to come and then he's told he cant run after coming all that way but it is what it is. Is there any other issues you have with either one of our cars? Mine was the gold Scamp and of course his was the green Ranger. Thanks,
Tom

[scampman]

Actually I don't care who wins, it makes no difference to me. I told him as soon as he pulled into the lanes no front skinnies. No skinnies is no skinnies and you can try to argue the point all you want but no ranger ever came with a 165 front tire. I will not make a front tire minimum size, forget that. If you want a minimum size then make it a 225 front tire. Any car made the last 20 years will carry more rubber then that. The problem with that is then my camaro with stock 205 front tire would not be legal or your ranger if it showed up on stock 195 front tires wouldn't be either, this is why there is not and will not be a front tire minimum size. A 195 on a ranger is fine, a 195 on a c5 corvette is a skinny tire and would not be allowed. See the difference? Running a 72 scamp? well since we do not allow a bias ply and that car came with a bias ply so we can not compare a direct stock size then I would assume a 205 or 215 front tire is on the car now?

Fair enough then.

[trophystock]

I can't look at everybody's paperwork or crawl over every car so we have to be reasonable on how much time we spend. If you show up in a late model challenger then we wouldn't look twice. If you showed up in a 72 scamp with 14" wheels all the way around then we would look twice either but the more radical the set up the more "individualized" attention you get. A set of 225 rear tires would raise no red flags but a 275 on a scamp I would at least give the underside a peak to look for moved springs, or bolt in ladder bars because I know you run out of wheel opening quick on some cars. I don't care how much power you make or what mods are done. I would love to see some 1000 hp vipers or vettes, this is why we have almost no rules as to get cars like that to show up and put on a good show. You do know we have a no back to back winner clause right? If you win the race then the car and/or driver can not run the next event.

[Matts94Z28]

If your not cheating, your not trying hard enough. lol

[trophystock]

If your not cheating, your not trying hard enough. lol

I 100% agree but hard to cheap when there are almost no rules to break:mrgreen:

[LXtasy]

Evidently the previously undetermined front tire rule was broken lol

[trophystock]

Evidently the previously undetermined front tire rule was broken lol

We will call it an error in interpreting one of the four rules, misunderstanding

[scampman]

I can't look at everybody's paperwork or crawl over every car so we have to be reasonable on how much time we spend. If you show up in a late model challenger then we wouldn't look twice. If you showed up in a 72 scamp with 14" wheels all the way around then we would look twice either but the more radical the set up the more "individualized" attention you get. A set of 225 rear tires would raise no red flags but a 275 on a scamp I would at least give the underside a peak to look for moved springs, or bolt in ladder bars because I know you run out of wheel opening quick on some cars. I don't care how much power you make or what mods are done. I would love to see some 1000 hp vipers or vettes, this is why we have almost no rules as to get cars like that to show up and put on a good show. You do know we have a no back to back winner clause right? If you win the race then the car and/or driver can not run the next event.

So your saying no cars may have any tire larger than what they came with? And the suspension cant be modified in any way or its no longer stock? So a mustang that has a K member or tubular A arms is not allowed because it no longer has the stock suspension that came on it from the factory? Or what if they beat in the inner fenderwell for tire clearance? Ive never heard of ANY class that wont let you move springs for tire clearance or use a tubular K member. I agree with you if your running ladder bars or a four link on a car that came with leaf springs but there's no class that says moving a spring in an inch or two or beating in a fenderwell on a mustang makes the car no longer a stock suspension car. Thats just rediculous. I thought the rules were supposed to allow as many cars as possible? I have no problem with nobody winning back to back either, I think thats a good idea. Im just looking for somewere local where I can go run my car with some other locals and be somewhat competitive for a reasonable price and have some fun. I can't afford to run any pro classes. I only get to take my car out to race it a few times a year.

[scampman]

I have the same exact chassis as a Duster or Demon. The only difference is a skirt that comes down over the rear wheel well which limits tire size. You CAN run a 275 on a Duster or Demon without moving springs because of the larger wheel opening. So its not like Im running some crazy suspension setup to allow for a giant tire. Im running the same size tire or smaller than most of the cars in the class and still run just a stock leaf spring set up. I dont know of anyone who has a hot rod that hasn't customized their car at least a little, thats what makes it a hot rod, correct? I know for a fact the Grand National that won had larger than stock rear tires and the suspension has been modified as well but you had no problem with him. Are you just trying to keep me from running or what?

[Carlrx7]

Hey Charles! Let me know when you want a test drive!

[trophystock]

Hey Charles! Let me know when you want a test drive!

I need to get down there soon cause since I traded my car off I have nothing to run at the strip now, I am having withdraw symptoms. Have you ever run the red car? I wonder what kind of MPH it runs in the 1/8th.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

I need to get down there soon cause since I traded my car off I have nothing to run at the strip now, I am having withdraw symptoms. Have you ever run the red car? I wonder what kind of MPH it runs in the 1/8th.

150 ish ish.

[Matts94Z28]

I need to get down there soon cause since I traded my car off I have nothing to run at the strip now, I am having withdraw symptoms.

What did you end up with now?

[Zacharyx]

SO if I show up with 245/45s up front and 315/35 out back am I within the rules even though the car came with 245s out back??

[trophystock]

SO if I show up with 245/45s up front and 315/35 out back am I within the rules even though the car came with 245s out back??

We have no size limit for rear tires. I do not care what size they are in the rear. I do care about drag cars showing up and taking the fun out of the class. I will not let a single car ruin this event...... period. It is almost impossible to have a heads up race where things do not get out of hand. If we get one or two 6 second cars then we will end up having a race with one or two cars in it. We will not keep having the race if we only have a race for two cars. I do not want to make it an index race, I will not have a bracket race, I want a fun event where everybody wants to run in it not get discouraged when there is one car outrunning everybody by a full second. If that happens the race will die out by August, I have seen it happen all the time. There is a stock suspension rule to try to weed out cars that are built to be primarily a drag style car. I thought this would be fun but now it just seems like a lot of headache.

[MonteC]

We have no size limit for rear tires. I do not care what size they are in the rear. I do care about drag cars showing up and taking the fun out of the class. I will not let a single car ruin this event...... period. It is almost impossible to have a heads up race where things do not get out of hand. If we get one or two 6 second cars then we will end up having a race with one or two cars in it. We will not keep having the race if we only have a race for two cars. I do not want to make it an index race, I will not have a bracket race, I want a fun event where everybody wants to run in it not get discouraged when there is one car outrunning everybody by a full second. If that happens the race will die out by August, I have seen it happen all the time. There is a stock suspension rule to try to weed out cars that are built to be primarily a drag style car. I thought this would be fun but now it just seems like a lot of headache.

Good luck. Tried that with true street down here. Fast cars wanted to get in then the slow cars didnt want to race.

[Carlrx7]

I need to get down there soon cause since I traded my car off I have nothing to run at the strip now, I am having withdraw symptoms. Have you ever run the red car? I wonder what kind of MPH it runs in the 1/8th.

I've personally never taken it to the track, but I can if you want me too. I'm guessing 97-99 depending on the DA

Good luck. Tried that with true street down here. Fast cars wanted to get in then the slow cars didnt want to race.

x2

[trophystock]

I've personally never taken it to the track, but I can if you want me too. I'm guessing 97-99 depending on the DA



x2

I would like to see what the MPH is and the corrected density altitude (DA) at the time of the runs.

[Carlrx7]

I would like to see what the MPH is and the corrected density altitude (DA) at the time of the runs.

I do have a complete Nitrous Outlet plate kit that is brand new in box with a 15 lb bottle, Im sure we could make the MPH what ever you want with that bolted on!

-Carl

[f-22]

We have no size limit for rear tires. I do not care what size they are in the rear. I do care about drag cars showing up and taking the fun out of the class. I will not let a single car ruin this event...... period. It is almost impossible to have a heads up race where things do not get out of hand. If we get one or two 6 second cars then we will end up having a race with one or two cars in it. We will not keep having the race if we only have a race for two cars. I do not want to make it an index race, I will not have a bracket race, I want a fun event where everybody wants to run in it not get discouraged when there is one car outrunning everybody by a full second. If that happens the race will die out by August, I have seen it happen all the time. There is a stock suspension rule to try to weed out cars that are built to be primarily a drag style car. I thought this would be fun but now it just seems like a lot of headache.

I hear what your saying, but what do you think was going to happen when you put $300 up for grabs. You want to make it "friendy" try $100 for first $50 for runner up. Maybe gift certificates for your business that would attract the kind of cars your looking for. When you put blood in the water don't be surprised when sharks show up.

[Zacharyx]

I guess I read too far into the other posts, I enjoy running the car on a hard tire since I have issues spooling anyway I run as quick on my nt05s as I do on the 05Rs

[scampman]

We have no size limit for rear tires. I do not care what size they are in the rear. I do care about drag cars showing up and taking the fun out of the class. I will not let a single car ruin this event...... period. It is almost impossible to have a heads up race where things do not get out of hand. If we get one or two 6 second cars then we will end up having a race with one or two cars in it. We will not keep having the race if we only have a race for two cars. I do not want to make it an index race, I will not have a bracket race, I want a fun event where everybody wants to run in it not get discouraged when there is one car outrunning everybody by a full second. If that happens the race will die out by August, I have seen it happen all the time. There is a stock suspension rule to try to weed out cars that are built to be primarily a drag style car. I thought this would be fun but now it just seems like a lot of headache.

Well my car is no race car by any means. It's got a full interior, stock suspension, a 9.5 to 1 pump gas (that's right I said pump gas) small block and you can drive it anywhere you like in any weather. I mean what else do you want? If that's not a street car then I don't know what is. I hot lapped my car all night on a 95 degree day. I did make a few 6 sec passes on nitrous but I wasn't on hard radials either, I was on sticky tires. My 475 horse 72 scamp isn't a street car but a 700+rwhp late model whipple powered Camaro is? So I guess anyone whose car can run in the 6's has a race car. If you weren't referring to me then I apologize but my Scamp is ABSOLUTELY a street car. I had a race car and I sold it because I couldn't afford the C16 anymore. I won't have another car I can't drive on the street and enjoy with my family. Ask my nephew Anthony if I don't drive it with my wife and kids when you tune his car. I drive it everywhere.

[f-22]

Well my car is no race car by any means. It's got a full interior, stock suspension, a 9.5 to 1 pump gas (that's right I said pump gas) small block and you can drive it anywhere you like in any weather. I mean what else do you want? If that's not a street car then I don't know what is. I hot lapped my car all night on a 95 degree day. I did make a few 6 sec passes on nitrous but I wasn't on hard radials either, I was on sticky tires. My 475 horse 72 scamp isn't a street car but a 700+rwhp late model whipple powered Camaro is? So I guess anyone whose car can run in the 6's has a race car. If you weren't referring to me then I apologize but my Scamp is ABSOLUTELY a street car. I had a race car and I sold it because I couldn't afford the C16 anymore. I won't have another car I can't drive on the street and enjoy with my family. Ask my nephew Anthony if I don't drive it with my wife and kids when you tune his car. I drive it everywhere.

Problem solved. It's now just a late model efi shootout. Rules have been changed. Should have said that from the begining if you'all did'nt want any fast street cars showing up. Maybe we can get one of the area tire manufactures to put up $300 for the fastest pass on thier brand tire. No rules. Anything goes as long as its a passenger street tire. What can someone possibly run on a hard passenger tire?:confused: