I think the only tire that has a chance is the NT05 for anything that makes any power and even then it takes a lot of finesse. Our truck would be easier to get down the track just by the different power adder characteristics I think. But the last time I was beside Rob I had a set of NT05s on and left too hard and got freight trained. Would be fun though....It is like a test in patience...def makes the tire the limiting factor..

I will be running on the street nt05s tommorow in Macon so we will see

maybe this will run on a weekend I am back and forth to NC, 4hrs would not be fun

I think it would be a blast. Win it lose it would be fun

In my black car I have been 7.12 with almost a 100 mph trap speed and the 60' was a 1.64. If someone said they had a car that ran like that on Michelins I would have call bull shi!! on it. I was shocked at how well the Michelins hooked. I sponsor the race so my car stays at home, these racers are an easy way for us to give back to the hobby that has given us so much. We tried to make the rules wide open to allow as many people in as possible. This is 2WD only with no 4WD or ALL wheel drive. As long as the car counts stay up I will continue to sponsor the races, we have 5 more this year alone.

2wd only is gay.

i went 7:28 at 99 at savannah river a couple weeks ago on 20 inch Micehlin PSS's with a tune only

im plus 200 hp on that run now still on PSS's and still hooking like a champ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfBUNgGTKU

Then get a track to host an event that allows AWD and go for it!

This Thursday is race number two, easy money for someone.

Thanks for everybody who came out tonight. We had a dozen cars running with half of them within half a second of the winner. Wayne Haddock running an 8.0 in his Grand National took home the money. We discussed it again tonight about having actual eliminations and if car count stays up we have a good chance of making that happen.

Ill have to disagree with trying to allow as many cars as possible. Seems to me the rules aren't specific so you can keep out the cars you don't want to let in. My brother in law drove 4 hours to come participate in this race and was told the tires on his factory width wheels were too narrow. They were Volkswagon tires but not on a skinny wheel. They were on 5" wide wheels which is what VW's came with also. The rules just said no skinnys which I think most people would agree are 3.5" wheels not 5" wheels. I would rather know what tire sizes are and aren't allowed instead of showing up and being told I cant run because you think they might be a little bigger or smaller than what came on the car. His truck only had a 265/15" rear tire which was more narrow than most and had a 500 treadwear rating to boot. Truck is fully street legal and driven regularly and has a current tag and insurance. I didn't see anyone else being checked for current paperwork either, just him. I think the rules are left fairly vague so you can keep people out who you don't want racing. We both know the front tire size would have made no difference in the outcome of the race last night. You were looking for a reason to keep him out. Is he gonna be welcomed back with some factory sized tires at the next race? I think the race is a good idea don't get me wrong, It just doesn't seem like your trying to include as many cars as possible like you stated above in your post. I will be sure to have the correct tires for the next race on my car as well.

What a VW came with is only pertinent to a VW. If its not a VW stop bitching.

If you have any questions ask in advance. Do not show up and try to use "I drove 4 hours" argument to try to convince everybody a 165 front tire is not a skinny. If you want to bring a car out for the july race start asking questions now if you have any doubt at all. If you are not sure about something consider it illegal and ask in advance if a particular car is OK. This is suppose to be just a simple get together for daily driven street cars. I could have said fuel injected cars only, AC required, stock this or stock that and had a whole list of crap to check. So I stuck with "daily driven" no drag cars, STOCK SUSPENSION, and no skinnies. I will say it again, if you are not sure then consider it not allowed until you ask about it.

His Ranger did come with 5" wheels. My point was it was stated the rules were made loosely to allow more cars in the class and in reality they were looking for anything they could find to keep his truck from running the class. I didn't see anyone elses car being checked for anything. They saw him make some test passes and figured he would win so they used the tire excuse. Its a pump gas 92 ranger with stock suspension, AOD tranny with a small block Ford motor. Stock interior and is driven daily and is completely street legal with current tag, registration, and insurance. My car is a 72 Scamp, full interior, carpet, stock suspension, 9.5 to 1 pump gas small block. Is there any problem with me running my car with a factory width wheel and tire?

Ok Im asking then, You have any problem with me running my Scamp in that class? Its pump gas, full interior, carpet, stock suspension, etc.... Drive it wherever you want. Its fully street legal and street driven on hard 275/60/15 radials and I have no problem putting factory size tires up front if thats what you would like. There's nothing I can think of that doesn't fit the rules.

Actually I don't care who wins, it makes no difference to me. I told him as soon as he pulled into the lanes no front skinnies. No skinnies is no skinnies and you can try to argue the point all you want but no ranger ever came with a 165 front tire. I will not make a front tire minimum size, forget that. If you want a minimum size then make it a 225 front tire. Any car made the last 20 years will carry more rubber then that. The problem with that is then my camaro with stock 205 front tire would not be legal or your ranger if it showed up on stock 195 front tires wouldn't be either, this is why there is not and will not be a front tire minimum size. A 195 on a ranger is fine, a 195 on a c5 corvette is a skinny tire and would not be allowed. See the difference? Running a 72 scamp? well since we do not allow a bias ply and that car came with a bias ply so we can not compare a direct stock size then I would assume a 205 or 215 front tire is on the car now?

Who determines what a street car is or isn't? Is a 400 hp smallblock nova a steetcar? What about a 700+ hp whipple powered LS camaro or corvette? Everyone is gonna have a differen't opinion of what a street car is. Thats why it would be easier to just make a few specific rules that are easily manageable and then people won't have to wonder if their car qualifies or not. Also, he did drive 4 hours to get there (he's from Dallas GA) so thats a fact not an excuse to convince anyone of anything. I didn't realize the front tires would be such an issue being on a factory width wheel. If thats the only problem then I will make sure next time he brings the proper size tires so there's no confusion on either side. Of course I felt bad after inviting him to come and then he's told he cant run after coming all that way but it is what it is. Is there any other issues you have with either one of our cars? Mine was the gold Scamp and of course his was the green Ranger. Thanks,
Tom

Fair enough then.

I can't look at everybody's paperwork or crawl over every car so we have to be reasonable on how much time we spend. If you show up in a late model challenger then we wouldn't look twice. If you showed up in a 72 scamp with 14" wheels all the way around then we would look twice either but the more radical the set up the more "individualized" attention you get. A set of 225 rear tires would raise no red flags but a 275 on a scamp I would at least give the underside a peak to look for moved springs, or bolt in ladder bars because I know you run out of wheel opening quick on some cars. I don't care how much power you make or what mods are done. I would love to see some 1000 hp vipers or vettes, this is why we have almost no rules as to get cars like that to show up and put on a good show. You do know we have a no back to back winner clause right? If you win the race then the car and/or driver can not run the next event.

If your not cheating, your not trying hard enough. lol

I 100% agree but hard to cheap when there are almost no rules to break:mrgreen: