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Cmatt1605 06-04-2012 12:20 AM

what to do? add on or new engine?
 
hey guys i wanted to post a poll on here and see what you all think. I am wanting a bit more power out of my camaro, and have narrowed it down to 3 different choices. I already have a 305 with aftermarket intake, ignition, carb, cam, and headers. I am not looking for any crazy power numbers, just something i can depend on and have some decent power when i wanna play (350-400hp). this is mostly going to be just a fun car to cruse around in and every once in a while take it to the strip to play. i would like to spend as little as possable and at the same time get good results. so here is my question, throw a set of heads on my 305 and get around 350-360 hp for around $1000, buy a 383 stroker crate engine for around $3,300. or get an LS1 engine/trans combo (was told i can get one of these for around $2,500-$3,000 used). what do you guys think?
  • add on for 305
  • 383 stroker
  • LS1 engine and trans

ShawnBoyMoody 06-04-2012 12:22 AM

LS swap.

blubyu87gt 06-04-2012 12:41 AM

B18c swap.

Cmatt1605 06-04-2012 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blubyu87gt (Post 170769)
B18c swap.

oh yeah! and a nice fart can on the back too! OH and a huge "JDM" tow hook too! :mrgreen:

chrisheltra 06-04-2012 07:06 AM

5hp B&S

1BAD4DR 06-04-2012 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisheltra (Post 170786)
5hp B&S

LIKE!

Bradleyrj 06-04-2012 07:26 AM

LS Juan!

MonteC 06-04-2012 07:33 AM

Spending 1000 bucks on a 305 would be like head butting a knife.

1iron 06-04-2012 08:43 AM

BBC

ForceFed4g63 06-04-2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisheltra (Post 170786)
5hp B&S

x2

Didn't see this one the poll for some reason.

schardbody 06-04-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MonteC (Post 170789)
Spending 1000 bucks on a 305 would be like head butting a knife.

I agree!!!!

I also think your HP numbers are way off. You might be at 300whp with a h/c/I 305. A bolt on ls1 will make 350whp but cost too much, cam it to make 400+ or stay 1st Gen SBC.

You might get the ls swap for $2500ish but double that to get it in the car.

Grab a 350 build it for under $2k and make 350+whp and swap it in an hour.

BigdaddyDupree 06-04-2012 09:10 AM

i dont have 5k in my swap

chrisheltra 06-04-2012 09:15 AM

http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/t...otor-5-v8+.jpg

slowgreen99 06-04-2012 09:56 AM

6.0 with a cam and Ray ported heads. And be done. Or go SBF.

bwelch 06-04-2012 10:15 AM

http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/fo...ad.php?t=11956

refer to post #2.

schardbody 06-04-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree (Post 170803)
i dont have 5k in my swap

Little bit of exaggeration but the point is it cost a good bit more to get it in a car and running.

ShawnBoyMoody 06-04-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by schardbody (Post 170834)
Little bit of exaggeration but the point is it cost a good bit more to get it in a car and running.

I keep all my invoices in my drawer at work Ive spent right at 3500 on my swap. Your results may vary. I was gifted the 5.3 so add 350 bucks for a junkyard mota. It can be done cheap if you wait on deals..... this includes the tubular k member and high dollar drive shaft.

chrisheltra 06-04-2012 11:39 AM

You guys dont want to see what I have in my pos mod motor.

ShawnBoyMoody 06-04-2012 01:38 PM

Yes we do.

03SVTCOBRA 06-04-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisheltra (Post 170841)
You guys dont want to see what I have in my pos mod motor.


I have a pretty good idea lol

chrisheltra 06-04-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ShawnBoyMoody (Post 170873)
Yes we do.

My heads and cams cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my blower cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my rotating assembly cost nearly what your whole motor swap did. Add it up and youll get an idea. I should have went LS. lol

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Originally Posted by 03SVTCOBRA (Post 170875)
I have a pretty good idea lol

^^^This guy knows though he has to buy twice as many cams as me.

LadyInRed 06-04-2012 02:01 PM

LS1

ForceFed4g63 06-04-2012 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisheltra (Post 170876)
My heads and cams cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my blower cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my rotating assembly cost nearly what your whole motor swap did. Add it up and youll get an idea. I should have went LS. lol


http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3...88aho1_500.gif

ShawnBoyMoody 06-04-2012 02:22 PM

Baller. Its expensive to push a brick into the sixes.

chrisheltra 06-04-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ShawnBoyMoody (Post 170887)
Its expensive to push a brick into the sixes.

Truer words have never been spoken.

04ctd 06-04-2012 04:59 PM

how old are you? job status? student? only car?

a LS trade is the only logical answer, but it could take a long time if you hit a snag, and esp if you need a MBT of $$ to recover from the snag.

if you are young, you will be looking to trade around soon, and i think a LSx swap will be better to sell than a SBC upgrade.


FWIW, we put a Performer RPM intake on a 305 H.O. (back when Vanilla Ice was cool), and it was soft on bottom, but it rolled out on mid/top end for what it was.

i say drive it as is, and just talk about it.
once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

LadyInRed 06-04-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 04ctd (Post 170939)
once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

Oh how true...

schardbody 06-04-2012 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShawnBoyMoody (Post 170836)
I keep all my invoices in my drawer at work Ive spent right at 3500 on my swap. Your results may vary. I was gifted the 5.3 so add 350 bucks for a junkyard mota. It can be done cheap if you wait on deals..... this includes the tubular k member and high dollar drive shaft.

That's not too bad. Fwiw all the local yards want $800+ for any ls truck motor. I think Marathon recycling in summerville has the best prices.

Cmatt1605 06-04-2012 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04ctd (Post 170939)
how old are you? job status? student? only car?

a LS trade is the only logical answer, but it could take a long time if you hit a snag, and esp if you need a MBT of $$ to recover from the snag.

if you are young, you will be looking to trade around soon, and i think a LSx swap will be better to sell than a SBC upgrade.


FWIW, we put a Performer RPM intake on a 305 H.O. (back when Vanilla Ice was cool), and it was soft on bottom, but it rolled out on mid/top end for what it was.

i say drive it as is, and just talk about it.
once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by schardbody (Post 170802)
I agree!!!!

I also think your HP numbers are way off. You might be at 300whp with a h/c/I 305. A bolt on ls1 will make 350whp but cost too much, cam it to make 400+ or stay 1st Gen SBC.

You might get the ls swap for $2500ish but double that to get it in the car.

Grab a 350 build it for under $2k and make 350+whp and swap it in an hour.

you can get over 350hp out of a 305. but you are correct about the 350 being better in the long run. the only reason i am even considering building up the 305 a little is becasue i might throw it in a truck later down the road just for fun. just about the only huge difference between there setup and mine is the heads:

"There were a few surprised expressions when the 305 cranked 367 hp at 6,000 rpm on the first pull. With some fine-tuning of the air/fuel ratio via a jet change to the Speed Demon carb, power inched up to 372 hp at 6,100 rpm"

Read more: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...#ixzz1wsgr3700

schardbody 06-04-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmatt1605 (Post 171027)
i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.



you can get over 350hp out of a 305. but you are correct about the 350 being better in the long run. the only reason i am even considering building up the 305 a little is becasue i might throw it in a truck later down the road just for fun. just about the only huge difference between there setup and mine is the heads:

"There were a few surprised expressions when the 305 cranked 367 hp at 6,000 rpm on the first pull. With some fine-tuning of the air/fuel ratio via a jet change to the Speed Demon carb, power inched up to 372 hp at 6,100 rpm"

Read more: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...#ixzz1wsgr3700

thats an engine dyno, take 20% for drivetrain loss and you're at what? 300whp, less than a STOCK 5.3 with carb setup and cam.

i didnt realize it was a "weekend" car that can afford downtime, so i retract all previous statements about going 1st gen SBC, go LS without a doubt.

BigdaddyDupree 06-04-2012 11:18 PM

Go ls and never look back. Mine will be up soon enough and I could take you on a ride.

1BAD4DR 06-05-2012 12:57 AM

Sheltra balling again...

oldskoolstang 06-05-2012 09:53 PM

ls swap

1998ta__1991rs 06-05-2012 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmatt1605 (Post 171027)
i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.

go back to Ohio

ShawnBoyMoody 06-05-2012 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs (Post 171254)
go back to Ohio

Lmao reps. :hail:

MonteC 06-05-2012 10:22 PM

Harry? Add on to the 305? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

AverageJoe 06-05-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonteC (Post 171270)
Harry? Add on to the 305? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

Retarded. Probably voted that way because his wife told him no laws could be broken with that motor.

Matts94Z28 06-05-2012 10:41 PM

How the heck did you get on with Boeing at 18?!

I will sell you an lt1. Lol

ShawnBoyMoody 06-05-2012 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AverageJoe (Post 171274)
Retarded. Probably voted that way because his wife told him no laws could be broken with that motor.

Hehe this guy!

adamcs 06-05-2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs (Post 171254)
go back to Ohio

What the fuck is a buckeye anyway


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