My 11 second queen has to come apart

Foose04 · 04-08-2011, 12:58 PM

Well, another nice long trip to Carolina Dragway to run 11s. Thanks to Gerald, the Trans-Brake is installed, works great. However, new problems include the rims are spinning inside the tires even on a my test launch at 3100 that cut a weak 1.79.

Next run turned it up to 3700 and around 17psi on boost. Something was off on the two step though as it left at 4200@17psi, shocked the rear tires hard and unloaded on the rebound. Also turned the rims about 3inches. Cut a 1.64, then all the problems. The transmission is for sure slipping, I was at 89mph and 3rd gear @6300RPMS. Even had to shift to 4th to get thru the 1/4 off the limiter. Fu**.

So, the only thing thats truly "built" on my whole setup is f'in up, should have tried a stock 4l80E.

However, made it home and beat up on a Heads/Cam GTO. Guess I should be thankful for something.

Video: http://youtu.be/o4m9dxeLUyo?hd=1

chrisheltra · 04-08-2011, 01:00 PM

So I still have a shot at getting a 10 first? Sorry about your troubles Rob.

jmd · 04-08-2011, 01:10 PM

what color was the h/c gto? srry to hear about your trouble.

Foose04 · 04-08-2011, 01:17 PM

Someone needs to get it done man, best of luck to you. You got the suspension/drivetrain working, that seems to be 80% of the battle on these heavy rigs. I've had the HP since day one, just not everything to make it work for me.

JMD it was red, said he was from Georgia. He's in the video after the first run.

Carlrx7 · 04-08-2011, 05:50 PM

manuals FTW. lol slips?, change the clutch. answer your phone bitch!

gearmesh, inc. · 04-08-2011, 08:58 PM

I never have had much faith in complete transmissions that are sold via long distance. When there is a problem, diagnostics are done long distance as well. Sometimes the whole transmission has to get truck freighted back to its maker for a solution.

I feel for you, Rob. Those people sent you the wrongly configured 4L80E transmission to you to start with. Then they want to try to modify it into the configuration that you originally wanted via long distance wrenching by me. From what I gathered on the phone with these guys this week, the transbrake valve body they sent isn't quite like a ground up built configuration that you originally wanted. They told me that they do modifications to the case passages when a transbrake configured unit is built in house. Obviously, your current case isn't modified in their usual manner, so they are attempting to do it all from the valve body side. Apparently, it still isn't right.

As far as transbrakes go on 4 speed autos, generally they don't release as fast as what folks are accustomed to in an older, simpler 2 or 3 speed auto. There are lots more fluid passages with longer runs and it takes more time for reverse oil to dump when the transbrake is released. You can't fight physics.

A 4L80E physically is one stout piece. But just like any other auto, valve body issues can wipe out a well built rotating assembly.

L.C. · 04-09-2011, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlrx7

manuals FTW. lol slips?, change the clutch. answer your phone bitch!

I don't think Rob likes vehicles with three pedals anymore...

bwelch · 04-09-2011, 11:51 AM

What company built the trans?

LXtasy · 04-10-2011, 12:03 AM

CKPERFORMANCE built the transmission

Foose04 · 05-11-2011, 03:17 PM

Game time. After some more research and talking with Gerald about everything, I decided to start fresh with a whole new build/trans. I decided on Jakesperformance, as his bread and butter is 4l80E's and theres some fast rides running his 80e.

I'll find out soon, got a couple days off to start the install, drink beer, then finish install. This is Jakes 2.5 Build, with billet forward hub and billet input shaft and with transbrake. He said it's a beast and one bad bitch, I hope so.

That said, 10's this weekend??!! Damn I hope this SOB can get the job done already.

Rain tires looking strong....

1iron · 05-11-2011, 03:26 PM

Is that jack stand really on the shock or does it just look like that?

Foose04 · 05-11-2011, 03:42 PM

Sure do, it's the only point I have to get the truck high enough to clear the bell housing under the side frame rails.

Carlrx7 · 05-11-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foose04

Sure do, it's the only point I have to get the truck high enough to clear the bell housing under the side frame rails.

its called bigger jacks!

p.s. get off the computer and get back to work!!

hit me up if ya need a hand. im gonna install this 2 step one more time. (probley gonna take me all week) lol

-Carl

bambooi · 05-11-2011, 05:13 PM

Very nice.

minytrker · 05-11-2011, 05:29 PM

So you still didnt learn a lesson about mail order transmissions? I would have went with Gerald hands down. Hope this one works out better and you can get your 10sec pass.

bwelch · 05-11-2011, 06:04 PM

I have a tranny jack if you want to borrow it. Its alot better than a floor jack.

Pm me if you need it.

Carlrx7 · 05-11-2011, 06:06 PM

he has a bottle of jack he usually lets me drink, then it just falls on me. lol

bwelch · 05-11-2011, 06:14 PM

This is it.

http://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-...jack-3185.html

bambooi · 05-11-2011, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwelch

This is it.

http://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-...jack-3185.html

I will need to borrow that one day.

Kenny Mcdonald · 05-11-2011, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisheltra

So I still have a shot at getting a 10 first? Sorry about your troubles Rob.

I got a buddy with a silver truck that has one of those 10 second slips if you need to borrow it.

04-08-2011, 12:58 PM	#1
Foose04 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 965	My 11 second queen has to come apart Well, another nice long trip to Carolina Dragway to run 11s. Thanks to Gerald, the Trans-Brake is installed, works great. However, new problems include the rims are spinning inside the tires even on a my test launch at 3100 that cut a weak 1.79. Next run turned it up to 3700 and around 17psi on boost. Something was off on the two step though as it left at 4200@17psi, shocked the rear tires hard and unloaded on the rebound. Also turned the rims about 3inches. Cut a 1.64, then all the problems. The transmission is for sure slipping, I was at 89mph and 3rd gear @6300RPMS. Even had to shift to 4th to get thru the 1/4 off the limiter. Fu. So, the only thing thats truly "built" on my whole setup is f'in up, should have tried a stock 4l80E. However, made it home and beat up on a Heads/Cam GTO. Guess I should be thankful for something. Video: http://youtu.be/o4m9dxeLUyo?hd=1 __________________ 12 GMC Denali HD: 4x4, 12" Bullet Proof, 24x12 American Forces, 40x15.50 Toyo M/T's, h&s mini max, deleted, 5" axle dump, S&B intake,tractions bars, air bags. 04 GMC 1500RST: TMS Iron 347/S480/4l80E - 9.63@143.22 05 GMC 2500HD:** LLY@372HP/669TQ, 4x4, 8" FabTech, 4.56 gears & 37" Toyo M/T's Last edited by Foose04; 04-08-2011 at 01:05 PM.

04-08-2011, 01:00 PM	#2
chrisheltra Neo is Jesus Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,265	So I still have a shot at getting a 10 first? Sorry about your troubles Rob. __________________ Gap A Hoe Racing

04-08-2011, 01:10 PM	#3
jmd Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,177	what color was the h/c gto? srry to hear about your trouble. __________________ Cadillac man

04-08-2011, 01:17 PM	#4
Foose04 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 965	Someone needs to get it done man, best of luck to you. You got the suspension/drivetrain working, that seems to be 80% of the battle on these heavy rigs. I've had the HP since day one, just not everything to make it work for me. JMD it was red, said he was from Georgia. He's in the video after the first run. __________________ 12 GMC Denali HD: 4x4, 12" Bullet Proof, 24x12 American Forces, 40x15.50 Toyo M/T's, h&s mini max, deleted, 5" axle dump, S&B intake,tractions bars, air bags. 04 GMC 1500RST: TMS Iron 347/S480/4l80E - 9.63@143.22 05 GMC 2500HD: LLY@372HP/669TQ, 4x4, 8" FabTech, 4.56 gears & 37" Toyo M/T's

04-08-2011, 05:50 PM	#5
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	manuals FTW. lol slips?, change the clutch. answer your phone bitch! __________________ Dark Aladdin

04-08-2011, 08:58 PM	#6
gearmesh, inc. creepy azz cracka Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 1,587	I never have had much faith in complete transmissions that are sold via long distance. When there is a problem, diagnostics are done long distance as well. Sometimes the whole transmission has to get truck freighted back to its maker for a solution. I feel for you, Rob. Those people sent you the wrongly configured 4L80E transmission to you to start with. Then they want to try to modify it into the configuration that you originally wanted via long distance wrenching by me. From what I gathered on the phone with these guys this week, the transbrake valve body they sent isn't quite like a ground up built configuration that you originally wanted. They told me that they do modifications to the case passages when a transbrake configured unit is built in house. Obviously, your current case isn't modified in their usual manner, so they are attempting to do it all from the valve body side. Apparently, it still isn't right. As far as transbrakes go on 4 speed autos, generally they don't release as fast as what folks are accustomed to in an older, simpler 2 or 3 speed auto. There are lots more fluid passages with longer runs and it takes more time for reverse oil to dump when the transbrake is released. You can't fight physics. A 4L80E physically is one stout piece. But just like any other auto, valve body issues can wipe out a well built rotating assembly. __________________ "I came into this world kicking, screaming,and covered in someone else's blood, I have no problem leaving the same way!" ÔÇ£If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. ThatÔÇÖs ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about?ÔÇØ -Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch.

04-09-2011, 11:51 AM	#8
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	What company built the trans? __________________

04-10-2011, 12:03 AM	#9
LXtasy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summerville, SC Posts: 9,564	CKPERFORMANCE built the transmission __________________

05-11-2011, 03:17 PM	#10
Foose04 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 965	Game time. After some more research and talking with Gerald about everything, I decided to start fresh with a whole new build/trans. I decided on Jakesperformance, as his bread and butter is 4l80E's and theres some fast rides running his 80e. I'll find out soon, got a couple days off to start the install, drink beer, then finish install. This is Jakes 2.5 Build, with billet forward hub and billet input shaft and with transbrake. He said it's a beast and one bad bitch, I hope so. That said, 10's this weekend??!! Damn I hope this SOB can get the job done already. Rain tires looking strong.... __________________ 12 GMC Denali HD: 4x4, 12" Bullet Proof, 24x12 American Forces, 40x15.50 Toyo M/T's, h&s mini max, deleted, 5" axle dump, S&B intake,tractions bars, air bags. 04 GMC 1500RST: TMS Iron 347/S480/4l80E - 9.63@143.22 05 GMC 2500HD: LLY@372HP/669TQ, 4x4, 8" FabTech, 4.56 gears & 37" Toyo M/T's Last edited by Foose04; 05-11-2011 at 03:23 PM.

05-11-2011, 03:26 PM	#11
1iron Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,014	Is that jack stand really on the shock or does it just look like that?

05-11-2011, 03:42 PM	#12
Foose04 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 965	Sure do, it's the only point I have to get the truck high enough to clear the bell housing under the side frame rails. __________________ 12 GMC Denali HD: 4x4, 12" Bullet Proof, 24x12 American Forces, 40x15.50 Toyo M/T's, h&s mini max, deleted, 5" axle dump, S&B intake,tractions bars, air bags. 04 GMC 1500RST: TMS Iron 347/S480/4l80E - 9.63@143.22 05 GMC 2500HD: LLY@372HP/669TQ, 4x4, 8" FabTech, 4.56 gears & 37" Toyo M/T's

05-11-2011, 05:13 PM	#14
bambooi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,324	Very nice.

05-11-2011, 05:29 PM	#15
minytrker Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,089	So you still didnt learn a lesson about mail order transmissions? I would have went with Gerald hands down. Hope this one works out better and you can get your 10sec pass. __________________ 1999 Z28 Camaro\|Cut up 2003 CC Duramax Dually\|19.5 w/245/70/19.5\|5in exhaust 2009 G8 GT 408hp/402tq sae\|Rotofab CAI\|LS9 Cam\|Headers\|GXP Mufflers\|Custom System 2009 Tahoe stock

05-11-2011, 06:04 PM	#16
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	I have a tranny jack if you want to borrow it. Its alot better than a floor jack. Pm me if you need it. __________________

05-11-2011, 06:06 PM	#17
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	he has a bottle of jack he usually lets me drink, then it just falls on me. lol __________________ Dark Aladdin

05-11-2011, 06:14 PM	#18
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	This is it. http://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-...jack-3185.html __________________