ls ignition upgrared

s14.5gonewide · 08-22-2010, 01:28 PM

anyone know the part numbers for the ls2 coil upgrade msd?

also is their a coilpack amplifier for the ls2 or for the ls series ignition?

as in the msd cop amplifier box or coilblaster that owrks with the ls2 truck coils?

help

Carlrx7 · 08-22-2010, 01:46 PM

after market coils are just for bling

bwelch · 08-22-2010, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlrx7

after market coils are just for bling

x2. Stock coils are the way to go

LXtasy · 08-22-2010, 02:18 PM

x3. Can't beat the reliability of the stockers

Illusions · 08-22-2010, 03:28 PM

Many ls boards will tell you to stay away from the msd coils. The stockers are still the best.

1998ta__1991rs · 08-22-2010, 03:32 PM

the best coils are the truck coils, the MSD's arnt worth the money, guys are making well over 1000hp with the stockers

Matts94Z28 · 08-22-2010, 03:36 PM

I would get an optispark

LStang · 08-22-2010, 03:37 PM

'''''''''''''i heard one day that there are stock coils out there with some heat sink fins on them and they are the best out of the shock but there are many making over 1000hp with stockers so i would stay away from MSD coils,,,,,,,,,,,,

blkscls1z · 08-22-2010, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts94Z28

I would get an optispark

Harry · 08-22-2010, 04:58 PM

I think I would just convert it to a Carb. and be done with it. Besides that's some tricky stuff that fuel injection junk. Then you only got one coil to mess with.

Derek · 08-22-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs

the best coils are the truck coils, the MSD's arnt worth the money, guys are making well over 1000hp with the stockers

Yup!

If you really want a set I saw a set at parks on Rivers yesterday for for like $850. MSD

s14.5gonewide · 08-22-2010, 05:20 PM

well is thir a coil amplifier.. because the truck ls2 coils arn't cutting it.

i tried ls1, ls2,ls2 car,ls2truck,msd ls2 coil and still have the same issue. i might throw a m&w ignition on it to amplify the spark and it will also alow for better ignition on the leading edge and traling edge.

and on the dyno the msd coils worked exactly like the ls2 truck. where the ls2 car and all others acted like the ls1.

what are some upgrades the ls guys are doing? amplifiers, ignition boxes, blaster coils hei tower coils? if i had hair i would be pulling it out i have been trouble shooting last 2 days on the dyno.

ElecTech · 08-22-2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14.5gonewide

what are some upgrades the ls guys are doing? amplifiers, ignition boxes, blaster coils hei tower coils? if i had hair i would be pulling it out i have been trouble shooting last 2 days on the dyno.

That's just it, they're not. That is what most are trying to relay.

What is exactly is the nature of the problem?

s14.5gonewide · 08-22-2010, 07:23 PM

coil on plug setup is dieing out up top.

i have tried everything in way of swapping diffrent coils from vaqrious ls series motors and nothing helps.

so far the most reliable combo is ... ls2 truck coils with msd 8.8 wires but it still does not cut it.

i have toyed with the idea of a cdi or ignition amplifier.

the issue is not timing drift or pre trailing edge ignition. these have all been ruled out on the dyno.

the problem is at 8,200 rpms the ignition system just cant stand up and do its damn job.

Carlrx7 · 08-22-2010, 08:27 PM

Have you tried to mess with the "Spark Dwell" in HPTuners? id also recommend stock wires and regap to .030

1998ta__1991rs · 08-22-2010, 08:33 PM

what kind of car do you have them on? there should be no problem with the stock coils pulling to 8200. the only other option for ls motors is doing the front mount distributor

LStang · 08-22-2010, 08:48 PM

i heard that most go with the front mount dist if they turn over like 7500-7800

BigdaddyDupree · 08-22-2010, 09:49 PM

msd wires are the problem. neil had a number of problems with them on the TBSS

s14.5gonewide · 08-22-2010, 09:50 PM

think we figured out the problem.
http://www.jfetech.nl/LS2-Coil

pretty much the coils cant handle the high boost(still not at target psi) and rpm's a 1000whp ls motor makes less per cyl than our car so the coil has to work much harder.. we actually started seeing timing drift from the coils(checking oms) on the top end..

we spin over 8k np the car was still making power and torque at that point. we are throwing some new ls2 truck coils. new 8.8 wires and a cdi ignition box..

the box is a dual capacitor that will hold the voltage and will also do multispark (pre,during,post) and is an amplifier

i will know mid week of the issue is resolved parts are being next dayed to the shop/dyno

i hope this does the trick.

BigdaddyDupree · 08-22-2010, 09:54 PM

i have the MSD 6010 box on mine but its carb, you can use it with fuel injection also with a harness.

08-22-2010, 01:28 PM	#1
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	ls ignition upgrared anyone know the part numbers for the ls2 coil upgrade msd? also is their a coilpack amplifier for the ls2 or for the ls series ignition? as in the msd cop amplifier box or coilblaster that owrks with the ls2 truck coils? help __________________

08-22-2010, 01:46 PM	#2
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	after market coils are just for bling __________________ Dark Aladdin

08-22-2010, 02:18 PM	#4
LXtasy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summerville, SC Posts: 9,564	x3. Can't beat the reliability of the stockers __________________

08-22-2010, 03:28 PM	#5
Illusions Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the Pits Posts: 2,247	Many ls boards will tell you to stay away from the msd coils. The stockers are still the best. __________________ Illusions Grafix A Pair of "Jackstand" 01 Xtreme Blazers

08-22-2010, 03:32 PM	#6
1998ta__1991rs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Ash Posts: 4,283	the best coils are the truck coils, the MSD's arnt worth the money, guys are making well over 1000hp with the stockers __________________ Funny

08-22-2010, 03:36 PM	#7
Matts94Z28 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 12,039	I would get an optispark __________________ Charleston Performance Solutions 4560 Rivers Ave. N. Charleston SC 29405 843-225-1142 https://www.facebook.com/CharlestonPerformanceSolutions www.facebook.com/Selepack

08-22-2010, 03:37 PM	#8
LStang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 74	'''''''''''''i heard one day that there are stock coils out there with some heat sink fins on them and they are the best out of the shock but there are many making over 1000hp with stockers so i would stay away from MSD coils,,,,,,,,,,,, __________________ Mustang stock suspension cut yo BUTT

08-22-2010, 04:58 PM	#10
Harry Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 3,321	I think I would just convert it to a Carb. and be done with it. Besides that's some tricky stuff that fuel injection junk. Then you only got one coil to mess with.

08-22-2010, 05:20 PM	#12
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	well is thir a coil amplifier.. because the truck ls2 coils arn't cutting it. i tried ls1, ls2,ls2 car,ls2truck,msd ls2 coil and still have the same issue. i might throw a m&w ignition on it to amplify the spark and it will also alow for better ignition on the leading edge and traling edge. and on the dyno the msd coils worked exactly like the ls2 truck. where the ls2 car and all others acted like the ls1. what are some upgrades the ls guys are doing? amplifiers, ignition boxes, blaster coils hei tower coils? if i had hair i would be pulling it out i have been trouble shooting last 2 days on the dyno. __________________

08-22-2010, 07:23 PM	#14
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	coil on plug setup is dieing out up top. i have tried everything in way of swapping diffrent coils from vaqrious ls series motors and nothing helps. so far the most reliable combo is ... ls2 truck coils with msd 8.8 wires but it still does not cut it. i have toyed with the idea of a cdi or ignition amplifier. the issue is not timing drift or pre trailing edge ignition. these have all been ruled out on the dyno. the problem is at 8,200 rpms the ignition system just cant stand up and do its damn job. __________________

08-22-2010, 08:27 PM	#15
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	Have you tried to mess with the "Spark Dwell" in HPTuners? id also recommend stock wires and regap to .030 __________________ Dark Aladdin

08-22-2010, 08:33 PM	#16
1998ta__1991rs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Ash Posts: 4,283	what kind of car do you have them on? there should be no problem with the stock coils pulling to 8200. the only other option for ls motors is doing the front mount distributor __________________ Funny

08-22-2010, 08:48 PM	#17
LStang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 74	i heard that most go with the front mount dist if they turn over like 7500-7800 __________________ Mustang stock suspension cut yo BUTT

08-22-2010, 09:49 PM	#18
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	msd wires are the problem. neil had a number of problems with them on the TBSS __________________ . What you wanna do?

08-22-2010, 09:50 PM	#19
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	think we figured out the problem. http://www.jfetech.nl/LS2-Coil pretty much the coils cant handle the high boost(still not at target psi) and rpm's a 1000whp ls motor makes less per cyl than our car so the coil has to work much harder.. we actually started seeing timing drift from the coils(checking oms) on the top end.. we spin over 8k np the car was still making power and torque at that point. we are throwing some new ls2 truck coils. new 8.8 wires and a cdi ignition box.. the box is a dual capacitor that will hold the voltage and will also do multispark (pre,during,post) and is an amplifier i will know mid week of the issue is resolved parts are being next dayed to the shop/dyno i hope this does the trick. __________________

08-22-2010, 09:54 PM	#20
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	i have the MSD 6010 box on mine but its carb, you can use it with fuel injection also with a harness. __________________ . What you wanna do?

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