Air/fuel

[outlawts]

Looking for gauge to help me tune my turtle want to monitor it any body got 1 or can tell me which 1 to get ?

[BIRDMAN]

AEMs are good and decently priced. I got mine for like $160-170.

[1SMKN99]

Originally Posted by BIRDMAN

AEMs are good and decently priced. I got mine for like $160-170.

Yup, ordered mine off amazon for $165

[BIRDMAN]

[slow94]

Dynojet Wide Band Commander here.... Works pretty well but is more expensive.

[ForceFed4g63]

AEM or Innovate are my 2 personal favorites.

[RoadconeTuning]

I had the AEM and it killed sensors pretty quick... i've been told by a number of people that its garbage anyways. NGK sells one with a bad ass sensor but its like 350 bucks

[BIRDMAN]

Originally Posted by RoadconeTuning

I had the AEM and it killed sensors pretty quick... i've been told by a number of people that its garbage anyways. NGK sells one with a bad ass sensor but its like 350 bucks

I've been told by reputable and renown engine builders/racers/tuners that they are one of the most reliable gauges to get with no issues. <-- dropping a load on your desk.

[DolSVT00]

The Innovate, Is the only true digital wideband and is the most accurate, but it fail's every other month, the AEM is the second most accurate and uses the same sensor as the NGK AFX, and the display isn't as ugly. Both the NGK and The AEM have the same accuracy, due to the same sensor. The dynojet wideband commander and Autometer use the same sensor and are the least accurate of the top three.

In means of accuracy, we are talking less than 0.02 of a point, so they all are better than nothing.

I like the dynojet because it comes with really nice software to datalog.
I like the AEM because out of all of them its the most dummy proof, but you have to understand math and 0-5v reference to datalog
The Innovate is the fastest responding and the best looking IMHO but you'll have nothing but problems with it.
The AFX is just plain ugly, I wouldn't put it on my lawnmower.
The auto meter is pretty nice, but maybe if they had some quality control where they make them you wouldn't have to splice everything to make it work, NONE of the connectors went male to female last time I installed one, so I had to cut them off and butt splice.

[BIRDMAN]

Originally Posted by DolSVT00

The Innovate, Is the only true digital wideband and is the most accurate, but it fail's every other month, the AEM is the second most accurate and uses the same sensor as the NGK AFX, and the display isn't as ugly. Both the NGK and The AEM have the same accuracy, due to the same sensor. The dynojet wideband commander and Autometer use the same sensor and are the least accurate of the top three.

In means of accuracy, we are talking less than 0.02 of a point, so they all are better than nothing.

I like the dynojet because it comes with really nice software to datalog.
I like the AEM because out of all of them its the most dummy proof, but you have to understand math and 0-5v reference to datalog
The Innovate is the fastest responding and the best looking IMHO but you'll have nothing but problems with it.
The AFX is just plain ugly, I wouldn't put it on my lawnmower.
The auto meter is pretty nice, but maybe if they had some quality control where they make them you wouldn't have to splice everything to make it work, NONE of the connectors went male to female last time I installed one, so I had to cut them off and butt splice.

Real world experience/reviews right there.

[slowgreen99]

Just check your plugs...

[WWhittle]

Originally Posted by slowgreen99

Just check your plugs...

Atleast check the plugs against the wideband. Make sure you are going for the right number. I see people tuning to what the internet says there air/fuel should be instead of what their plugs say their air/fuel should be.

[DolSVT00]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

Atleast check the plugs against the wideband. Make sure you are going for the right number. I see people tuning to what the internet says there air/fuel should be instead of what their plugs say their air/fuel should be.

This is true, but he asked about widebands. I answered.

[ASCII_Porn]

I use my Innovative LM2 specifically for it's anolog outputs for logging in tunning software scanners.

When I'm done using the wideband for tuning, I ussually get an Aeroforce Interceptor and pipe an anolog out to it for monitoring.

I had two LC1s in the past, but wanted something more mobile to tune other cars without having to undo a lot of wires each time.

I would like an AFX soon, though.

[WWhittle]

Originally Posted by DolSVT00

This is true, but he asked about widebands. I answered.

That's great but I didn't quote you, I quoted Brandon. Or are you saying that since you answered that should have been the end of the thread?

[ForceFed4g63]

Somebody's got a case of the Mondays...

[DolSVT00]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

That's great but I didn't quote you, I quoted Brandon. Or are you saying that since you answered that should have been the end of the thread?

No I'm saying after all the carbed stuff he has had I have plenty of faith he knows how to read plugs, I was stating he asked about widebands or monitoring a/f not how to read a plug to see if its right.

I've tried a bunch of them, so I gave my reviews. Plenty of people have widebands, and usually they like what they have so that's what they'll say, I have messed with most of them, they all have faults.

[WWhittle]

Originally Posted by DolSVT00

No I'm saying after all the carbed stuff he has had I have plenty of faith he knows how to read plugs, I was stating he asked about widebands or monitoring a/f not how to read a plug to see if its right.

I've tried a bunch of them, so I gave my reviews. Plenty of people have widebands, and usually they like what they have so that's what they'll say, I have messed with most of them, they all have faults.

I guess what I was saying is that it really doesn't matter what the wideband says. It doesn't matter if it says 9.5 when you're going down the track or if it says 12.5. As long as you know what number equals a proper air fuel mixture on your car, then you know what number you should be aiming for. I think regardless of whether you are carbureted or fuel injected, you should tune your car first to have good plug readings. After you get your car tuned and your plugs look good, then look and see what the wideband number is. From that point forward you will know what number you are going for. People tend to read on the Internet what others say their air fuel mixture should be and that's the number that they shoot for without really knowing if that's what makes their motor the happiest. Not to mention all the variables between widebands, sensors, and location of sensors. A wideband will just get you in the ballpark, you still have to go old-school and pull your plugs if you want to fine tune. I also believe a wideband is a waste of money without a datalogger- but I guess they look cool on an a pillar when you're out being fast and furious.

[Pesce Nero]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

I guess what I was saying is that it really doesn't matter what the wideband says. It doesn't matter if it says 9.5 when you're going down the track or if it says 12.5. As long as you know what number equals a proper air fuel mixture on your car, then you know what number you should be aiming for. I think regardless of whether you are carbureted or fuel injected, you should tune your car first to have good plug readings. After you get your car tuned and your plugs look good, then look and see what the wideband number is. From that point forward you will know what number you are going for. People tend to read on the Internet what others say their air fuel mixture should be and that's the number that they shoot for without really knowing if that's what makes their motor the happiest. Not to mention all the variables between widebands, sensors, and location of sensors. A wideband will just get you in the ballpark, you still have to go old-school and pull your plugs if you want to fine tune. I also believe a wideband is a waste of money without a datalogger- but I guess they look cool on an a pillar when you're out being fast and furious.

Wes is right on the money

[ElecTech]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

I guess what I was saying is that it really doesn't matter what the wideband says. It doesn't matter if it says 9.5 when you're going down the track or if it says 12.5. As long as you know what number equals a proper air fuel mixture on your car, then you know what number you should be aiming for. I think regardless of whether you are carbureted or fuel injected, you should tune your car first to have good plug readings. After you get your car tuned and your plugs look good, then look and see what the wideband number is. From that point forward you will know what number you are going for. People tend to read on the Internet what others say their air fuel mixture should be and that's the number that they shoot for without really knowing if that's what makes their motor the happiest. Not to mention all the variables between widebands, sensors, and location of sensors. A wideband will just get you in the ballpark, you still have to go old-school and pull your plugs if you want to fine tune. I also believe a wideband is a waste of money without a datalogger- but I guess they look cool on an a pillar when you're out being fast and furious.

I will add that what I think gets many of the "internetters" is that they don't fully understand how different fuel formulations play into what the "indicated" AFR is. There are so many different fuel formulations and designer fuels now, that an "ideal air fuel ratio" can be hard to pinpopint.