Is this a bad idea?

73camaro · 11-13-2009, 08:30 PM

I just want opinions on a project I'm considering starting.

I'm tryin to sell the yellow car and move to a S13 chassis, and I wanna have a really unique engine swap that's not hyper expensive and not too slow. I thought about an F20, but that's been done, so I wanna recreate something I saw on Houston Craigslist years ago. A 4G63 240SX.

Opinions, ideas, disgust, let's hear it.

BigdaddyDupree · 11-13-2009, 08:38 PM

might be better as much as you drive.

s14.5gonewide · 11-13-2009, 08:38 PM

their is a rwd conversion for the 4g63.. it is kinda expensive. even if u bought a cyclone swap it would end up costing a grip of money..

i may be bias towards a import.. but to do a drop in motor swap you should have about 10grand set aside.
motor tranny
new seals(full)
new fluids
possibly new rings
clutch/flywheel why u are their
timing chain/belt

and thats before you start modding the motor at all. these jdm import engines have been sitting a long time. even if you get a usa motor its still being pulled from a early 90 motor...than u could be talking an evo motor but thats a grip of cash up front.

u are really better off keeping the yellow car and doing bolt ons, full heads, ect ect.. suspension.

s14.5gonewide · 11-13-2009, 10:36 PM

https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...hp?cPath=23_99

yea i think its just a pipe dream waiting to get parted out.. stick with what u got.

73camaro · 11-13-2009, 11:15 PM

Yeah, I figured on buying a fresh rebuilt T56 and totally rebuilding the engine/upgrading cams, head, and turbo setup. I want a 6 bolt, non-Evo motor in it, for a little better simplicity and zero worries of crank walk. And maybe 20 psi to start off with?

The big steps would be:

0. Drive the car normally while saving money. (Kinda fun)
1. Acquire all needed materials after figuring out engine guts/power & boost goal. (Spend as big as $15k)
2. Install engine / tranny setup, solving all location / mounting issues. (Fab)
3. Engine wiring, standalone, and accessories / driveshaft and shifter. (Electrical miracles occuring)
4. Entire turbo setup. (Really good at both welding and cussing by now)
5. Break in / work out kinks / dyno tune. (Driving a little at this point)
6. Enjoy the benefits and attention of a unique, potent swap. (Driving normally, overjoyed at success)
7. Build for more boost / strength later. (Huge money spendings again, sell other cars)

ShawnBoyMoody · 11-13-2009, 11:40 PM

Hard to beat an ole split bumper Camaro. That car has a ton of potential. You should keep working on it.

73camaro · 11-13-2009, 11:58 PM

Thanks man. I really enjoy it the way it is: loud, rattly, spartan and simple. But my import buddies have converted me to the small light car / small boosted motor religion. I'm tryin half-assedly to sell mine for $10k. I wanna have fun on offramps, and have fun drifting with all my friends instead of drag racing. Stuff like gas bills, unending rust, constant cop attention, and self-disassembling interior bits have made me reconsider my muscle car. Somethin with a high-revving turbo motor and a total weight under 2600 would rock, even though it'd be slower in a straight line. A 240 is cheap and seems like it'd fit the bill, but I gotta figure out a good engine swap for it, or I won't be happy. Maybe a single turbo'd 2JZ... Or going to a S2K...

toslow · 11-14-2009, 12:01 AM

buy my dsm buy my dsm buy my dsm

73camaro · 11-14-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toslow

buy my dsm buy my dsm buy my dsm

May I have a link please?

73camaro · 11-14-2009, 12:23 AM

Now with video!

Quote:

...instead of drag racing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIA2-Y9HQk

Quote:

Originally Posted by 73camaro

...have fun drifting with all my friends...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3t6KuDiP64

snakeplissken · 11-14-2009, 12:25 AM

I like 73Camaro - good attitude displacement for a young guy.

Waaay better than me at that age.

Carry on.

bwelch · 11-14-2009, 01:02 AM

It cost alot more money to build an import to be as fast as american muscle. Most of the really fast imports have alot of drivetrain problem when you put alot of power to them.

BigdaddyDupree · 11-14-2009, 01:26 AM

240sx with LS1 with t56. great mileage. awesome power. daily driver friendy. sleeper from hell. not stupid expensive. hell put a 5.3 in it and it will ride. cheap to build. funnnnnnn

bwelch · 11-14-2009, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree

240sx with LS1 with t56. great mileage. awesome power. daily driver friendy. sleeper from hell. not stupid expensive. hell put a 5.3 in it and it will ride. cheap to build. funnnnnnn

x2.

.You could even turbo the ls1 in it.

BigdaddyDupree · 11-14-2009, 02:16 AM

if i didnt have a different car for every occasion which i sadly do and i just wanted to build something fast and driver friendly. i would never hesitate to build a 240 with a LS1 and T-56. i mean it would be fun. light. gobs of power. great mileage. and wouldnt hurt the wallet too bad

240sx 3000? maybe
complete LS1-1000
t56 1500
wiring 400
swap stuff 1200-1500
misc 1000
the powerand fun....priceless

for 8 grand you could have hell of a car. unless im overlooking something

1998ta__1991rs · 11-14-2009, 04:02 AM

ive got a NICEE 4.8 (could make it a high compression 5.3 if you wanted) that would fit very nice in a 240

L.C. · 11-14-2009, 05:30 AM

I say KA-T man, torque is fun, and those setups make tons; would be much easier/cheaper to do than 4G swap too.

That's what I would do if I had an S13.

That or a 26 like dude's vert, but FINISH IT!

jmd · 11-14-2009, 06:15 AM

what you want for the yellow car?

///Mcompact · 11-14-2009, 06:30 AM

4G63 = Iron block = not much lighter than an aluminum V8.

Go with the SR20 if you wanna keep it a 4-banger. Otherwise, I 3rd the motion to put in a 4.8/5.3 and hook up a little "Psssh- Psssh" (as Jeff's little boy puts it).

SLOWGREEN73 · 11-14-2009, 08:42 AM

I would put a LSX motor in your camaro with a T56 . Because imports have no resale value when modified. Detroit speed has all the parts to make your car handle like a corvette.

11-13-2009, 08:30 PM	#1
73camaro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In my car right now, driving around Summerville Posts: 180	Is this a bad idea? I just want opinions on a project I'm considering starting. I'm tryin to sell the yellow car and move to a S13 chassis, and I wanna have a really unique engine swap that's not hyper expensive and not too slow. I thought about an F20, but that's been done, so I wanna recreate something I saw on Houston Craigslist years ago. A 4G63 240SX. Opinions, ideas, disgust, let's hear it. __________________ It's better to be fast, than scared.

11-13-2009, 08:38 PM	#2
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	might be better as much as you drive. __________________ . What you wanna do?

11-13-2009, 08:38 PM	#3
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	their is a rwd conversion for the 4g63.. it is kinda expensive. even if u bought a cyclone swap it would end up costing a grip of money.. i may be bias towards a import.. but to do a drop in motor swap you should have about 10grand set aside. motor tranny new seals(full) new fluids possibly new rings clutch/flywheel why u are their timing chain/belt and thats before you start modding the motor at all. these jdm import engines have been sitting a long time. even if you get a usa motor its still being pulled from a early 90 motor...than u could be talking an evo motor but thats a grip of cash up front. u are really better off keeping the yellow car and doing bolt ons, full heads, ect ect.. suspension. __________________

11-13-2009, 10:36 PM	#4
s14.5gonewide Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north charleston Posts: 1,657	https://secure.buschurracing.com/cat...hp?cPath=23_99 yea i think its just a pipe dream waiting to get parted out.. stick with what u got. __________________

11-13-2009, 11:15 PM	#5
73camaro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In my car right now, driving around Summerville Posts: 180	Yeah, I figured on buying a fresh rebuilt T56 and totally rebuilding the engine/upgrading cams, head, and turbo setup. I want a 6 bolt, non-Evo motor in it, for a little better simplicity and zero worries of crank walk. And maybe 20 psi to start off with? The big steps would be: 0. Drive the car normally while saving money. (Kinda fun) 1. Acquire all needed materials after figuring out engine guts/power & boost goal. (Spend as big as $15k) 2. Install engine / tranny setup, solving all location / mounting issues. (Fab) 3. Engine wiring, standalone, and accessories / driveshaft and shifter. (Electrical miracles occuring) 4. Entire turbo setup. (Really good at both welding and cussing by now) 5. Break in / work out kinks / dyno tune. (Driving a little at this point) 6. Enjoy the benefits and attention of a unique, potent swap. (Driving normally, overjoyed at success) 7. Build for more boost / strength later. (Huge money spendings again, sell other cars) __________________ It's better to be fast, than scared.

11-13-2009, 11:40 PM	#6
ShawnBoyMoody Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the lab.... Posts: 8,159	Hard to beat an ole split bumper Camaro. That car has a ton of potential. You should keep working on it. __________________ The Krusty Koupe "Luck favors the oblivious, and boy am I lucky!"

11-13-2009, 11:58 PM	#7
73camaro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: In my car right now, driving around Summerville Posts: 180	Thanks man. I really enjoy it the way it is: loud, rattly, spartan and simple. But my import buddies have converted me to the small light car / small boosted motor religion. I'm tryin half-assedly to sell mine for $10k. I wanna have fun on offramps, and have fun drifting with all my friends instead of drag racing. Stuff like gas bills, unending rust, constant cop attention, and self-disassembling interior bits have made me reconsider my muscle car. Somethin with a high-revving turbo motor and a total weight under 2600 would rock, even though it'd be slower in a straight line. A 240 is cheap and seems like it'd fit the bill, but I gotta figure out a good engine swap for it, or I won't be happy. Maybe a single turbo'd 2JZ... Or going to a S2K... __________________ It's better to be fast, than scared.

11-14-2009, 12:01 AM	#8
toslow Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Charleston Posts: 285	buy my dsm buy my dsm buy my dsm

11-14-2009, 12:25 AM	#11
snakeplissken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lowcountry Posts: 2,225	I like 73Camaro - good attitude displacement for a young guy. Waaay better than me at that age. Carry on.

11-14-2009, 01:02 AM	#12
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	It cost alot more money to build an import to be as fast as american muscle. Most of the really fast imports have alot of drivetrain problem when you put alot of power to them.

11-14-2009, 01:26 AM	#13
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	240sx with LS1 with t56. great mileage. awesome power. daily driver friendy. sleeper from hell. not stupid expensive. hell put a 5.3 in it and it will ride. cheap to build. funnnnnnn __________________ . What you wanna do?

11-14-2009, 02:16 AM	#15
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	if i didnt have a different car for every occasion which i sadly do and i just wanted to build something fast and driver friendly. i would never hesitate to build a 240 with a LS1 and T-56. i mean it would be fun. light. gobs of power. great mileage. and wouldnt hurt the wallet too bad 240sx 3000? maybe complete LS1-1000 t56 1500 wiring 400 swap stuff 1200-1500 misc 1000 the powerand fun....priceless for 8 grand you could have hell of a car. unless im overlooking something __________________ . What you wanna do?

11-14-2009, 04:02 AM	#16
1998ta__1991rs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Ash Posts: 4,283	ive got a NICEE 4.8 (could make it a high compression 5.3 if you wanted) that would fit very nice in a 240 __________________ Funny

11-14-2009, 05:30 AM	#17
L.C. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 189	I say KA-T man, torque is fun, and those setups make tons; would be much easier/cheaper to do than 4G swap too. That's what I would do if I had an S13. That or a 26 like dude's vert, but FINISH IT! __________________ -LC

11-14-2009, 06:15 AM	#18
jmd Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,177	what you want for the yellow car?

11-14-2009, 06:30 AM	#19
///Mcompact SQUIRREL OVERLORD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nunya bidness Posts: 1,382	4G63 = Iron block = not much lighter than an aluminum V8. Go with the SR20 if you wanna keep it a 4-banger. Otherwise, I 3rd the motion to put in a 4.8/5.3 and hook up a little "Psssh- Psssh" (as Jeff's little boy puts it).

11-14-2009, 08:42 AM	#20
SLOWGREEN73 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 282	I would put a LSX motor in your camaro with a T56 . Because imports have no resale value when modified. Detroit speed has all the parts to make your car handle like a corvette.